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Gost emisije Nedjeljom u 2 čovjek je kojeg nazivaju najbogatijim Hrvatom, vlasnik Orbico grupe Branko Roglić.
Svojedobno ste prijavili da su od vas tražili mito. Kako ste se odlučili sve prijaviti USKOK-u?
- Nije bilo lako, pitao sam za savjet predsjednika Mesića. On je rekao da ih mu je puna kapa, i ja sam odlučio prijaviti i pristati da nas ozvuče.
Je li vas bilo strah?
- Da, bio sam James Bond. Ali mene je ta nepravda što se događa u Hrvatskoj jako brinula. Ja sam jedan od 'proljećara' i nisam Hrvatsku ovako zamišljao. Ali mislim da ide na bolje.
Kako gledate na aferu Janaf? Kaže se da najviše korupcije ima u javnim poduzećima?
- Nema korupcije između dva privatna poduzeća, jer se oni bore cijenama. Tako da će se ovo morati riješiti jer neće biti dobro.. Ja sam onda htio kupiti neko gradilište u Dugom Ratu kad su mi prišla dvojica - pazite, njih dvojica - i rekla mi da se javim na natječaj i njima platim 300.000 pa ću proći na natječaju. Meni je to bilo stresno. Imao sam tada 60 godina i nikad nisam bio na sudu, a kamoli da sam bio uključen u tako nešto.
Što je rješenje za korupciju u Hrvatskoj? Koga birati?
- Teško je to, mislim da treba početi sa školom i djecu učiti poštenju. 50 godina smo imali izopačeni sistem... Postalo je normalno da ljudi žele što im ne pripada. I svi natječaji za predsjednike uprava i direktore velikih firmi bi trebali biti međunarodni.
Kako je vaš slučaj završio?
- Kad sam to prijavio, onda su optuženi doveli svaki po dva advokata i prikazati da sam ja sve izmislio. Oni su osuđeni i jedan je dobio šest, a drugi 10 mjeseci zatvora.
Imate 47 firmi u 20 država. Sigurno vam se u karijeri dogodilo da vas i neki od vlastitih ljudi potkradaju? Kako to rješavate?
- Imao sam ljude koji su krali, naplaćivali ekstra proviziju. No to smo na vrijeme uočili i oni su dobili otkaz. Imamo odvjetnika i takve ljude tužimo. Oni uglavnom vrate novac pa i ne idu u zatvor. No moji ljudi su prilično pošteni.
Kaže se da postoji latentni sukob između poduzetnika poput vas i javnog sektora. Jesu li u javnim tvrtkama sve uhljebi?
- Nisu svi. Uhljebi nisu ljudi koji rade u, recimo, HNK. No naš proračun se puni gospodarstvom, a ako gospodarstvo ne funkcionira, proračun se ne puni. Ja se bojim da se baš to sada događa. Treba vidjeti kako smanjiti potrošnju. To ne mora značiti da ljude treba otpuštati, ali im naći neki drugi posao na kojem mogu biti korisni. Država se razvija od viška iz proračuna. Ako toga nema, država se ne razvija.
U ovoj krizi jedini nam je izlaz zaduživanje. No dokle to može ići?
- Mislim da je Vlada jako dobro reagirala i na koronu, i na potres, i na Agrokor. To je spašavanje hrvatske države. Mariću uopće ne zavidim, ali se nadam da će se gospodarstvo obraniti. Država se mora minimalno zadužiti, samo onoliko koliko mora. Pazite, mi smo prije korone imali proračunski suficit. To je odlično. No onda je došla korona. EU je odobrila tih 22 milijarde eura, i to je dobro, ali moramo imati ideje i kako to potrošiti i vratiti.
Je li država dobro postupila u slučaju Agrokor?
- Rekao sam za Todorića da je hrabar čovjek koji se dobro nosi s izazovima, no onda sam promijenio mišljenje kad sam doznao neke stvari. Nitko nema pravo uzet robu, a ne platiti.
Što kažete o Todorićevim izjavama da je sve politička urote?
- Mislim da to nije istina.
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Gost emisije Nedjeljom u 2 čovjek je kojeg nazivaju najbogatijim Hrvatom, vlasnik Orbico grupe Branko Roglić.
Svojedobno ste prijavili da su od vas tražili mito. Kako ste se odlučili sve prijaviti USKOK-u?
- Nije bilo lako, pitao sam za savjet predsjednika Mesića. On je rekao da ih mu je puna kapa, i ja sam odlučio prijaviti i pristati da nas ozvuče.
Je li vas bilo strah?
- Da, bio sam James Bond. Ali mene je ta nepravda što se događa u Hrvatskoj jako brinula. Ja sam jedan od 'proljećara' i nisam Hrvatsku ovako zamišljao. Ali mislim da ide na bolje.
Kako gledate na aferu Janaf? Kaže se da najviše korupcije ima u javnim poduzećima?
- Nema korupcije između dva privatna poduzeća, jer se oni bore cijenama. Tako da će se ovo morati riješiti jer neće biti dobro.. Ja sam onda htio kupiti neko gradilište u Dugom Ratu kad su mi prišla dvojica - pazite, njih dvojica - i rekla mi da se javim na natječaj i njima platim 300.000 pa ću proći na natječaju. Meni je to bilo stresno. Imao sam tada 60 godina i nikad nisam bio na sudu, a kamoli da sam bio uključen u tako nešto.
Što je rješenje za korupciju u Hrvatskoj? Koga birati?
- Teško je to, mislim da treba početi sa školom i djecu učiti poštenju. 50 godina smo imali izopačeni sistem... Postalo je normalno da ljudi žele što im ne pripada. I svi natječaji za predsjednike uprava i direktore velikih firmi bi trebali biti međunarodni.
Kako je vaš slučaj završio?
- Kad sam to prijavio, onda su optuženi doveli svaki po dva advokata i prikazati da sam ja sve izmislio. Oni su osuđeni i jedan je dobio šest, a drugi 10 mjeseci zatvora.
Imate 47 firmi u 20 država. Sigurno vam se u karijeri dogodilo da vas i neki od vlastitih ljudi potkradaju? Kako to rješavate?
- Imao sam ljude koji su krali, naplaćivali ekstra proviziju. No to smo na vrijeme uočili i oni su dobili otkaz. Imamo odvjetnika i takve ljude tužimo. Oni uglavnom vrate novac pa i ne idu u zatvor. No moji ljudi su prilično pošteni.
Kaže se da postoji latentni sukob između poduzetnika poput vas i javnog sektora. Jesu li u javnim tvrtkama sve uhljebi?
- Nisu svi. Uhljebi nisu ljudi koji rade u, recimo, HNK. No naš proračun se puni gospodarstvom, a ako gospodarstvo ne funkcionira, proračun se ne puni. Ja se bojim da se baš to sada događa. Treba vidjeti kako smanjiti potrošnju. To ne mora značiti da ljude treba otpuštati, ali im naći neki drugi posao na kojem mogu biti korisni. Država se razvija od viška iz proračuna. Ako toga nema, država se ne razvija.
U ovoj krizi jedini nam je izlaz zaduživanje. No dokle to može ići?
- Mislim da je Vlada jako dobro reagirala i na koronu, i na potres, i na Agrokor. To je spašavanje hrvatske države. Mariću uopće ne zavidim, ali se nadam da će se gospodarstvo obraniti. Država se mora minimalno zadužiti, samo onoliko koliko mora. Pazite, mi smo prije korone imali proračunski suficit. To je odlično. No onda je došla korona. EU je odobrila tih 22 milijarde eura, i to je dobro, ali moramo imati ideje i kako to potrošiti i vratiti.
Je li država dobro postupila u slučaju Agrokor?
- Rekao sam za Todorića da je hrabar čovjek koji se dobro nosi s izazovima, no onda sam promijenio mišljenje kad sam doznao neke stvari. Nitko nema pravo uzet robu, a ne platiti.
Što kažete o Todorićevim izjavama da je sve politička urote?
- Mislim da to nije istina.
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